The podcast · Whatever Next? Unplugged
Lifting the lid on transformation.
Candid conversations with people leading transformation for real, getting past the slideware to talk about what it really takes to make change more human, more honest and more likely to stick. Hosted by Lisa Woodall.
More human
People, not just process
More honest
The unsaid, said
More likely to stick
Change that lasts
Voices from the show
The conversations behind The Human Gap.
A few moments that stayed with us: the kind of honesty the show exists for.
“The gap in understanding isn’t because people don’t care. It’s because the system isn’t yet designed to reward the behaviours we say we value.”
Rachel Higham
NED · Impact Investment Chair · Strategic Advisor
Ep 7 · AI: Technically Impressive, Socially Unliveable
Watch the episode“This is fundamentally not just about new mechanics. The rationale behind why we show up and work here has to be revisited, because it is going to be very different.”
Perry Timms
Chief Energy Officer and Founder, People and Transformational HR Ltd
Ep 16 · The Soul of the Machine
Watch the episode“When you start pulling on the thread of how something actually works in practice, you very quickly see the gap between what’s intended and what’s real.”
Lisa Avon
Business Design Practice Lead, Leading Health Insurer
Ep 9 · Why Business Design Matters More Than You Think
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